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KNUCKLE UP said:
Look how he dropped like a rock with that 1st knockdown. The 2nd kd was because he was still hurt from the 1st. And then look at the 3rd kd. how long did it take to get up off his back? Holmes is like 6 inches taller then Tyson, how much power did Tyson actually lose by having to punch up? If they were the same size, OUCH! As far as the 4 weeks to train, if he wasn't ready he should not have been in there. Which all the time in the world would not have made a difference. Holmes looked more like John Ruiz in that fight, GRAB HIM AS MUCH AS I CAN SO HE DON'T KNOCK MY BLOCK OFF!!!
It didn't take long for Holmes to get off his back the 3rd knock down, Cortez was on him the moment he hit the ground. Holmes is 4 inches taller than Tyson, 3.5 to be exact. And it didn't take much of his power at all. And why shouldn't Holmes have showed up? Is it his fault King made fight night earlier? No. Dropped like a rock the first knock down? Look again, Tyson gave him a little push to get him down. And the 2nd knock down, look how many bombs Holmes took before going down again. Holmes was on the canvas for less than 10 seconds during the fight. And if they gave Holmes 3 months to train, then Holmes easily would have been able to make it to the 10th. In the start of the 4th round, Holmes was a slower, rustier version of his prime self, and he was beating Tyson that round until he went flat footed.
 

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Joet said:
they started filling his head with that jab, jab, jab crap.

He was a killer and should have stuck with his old style of quickly slipping and getting inside on the opponent, then ripping the body and head with hooks and uppercuts.

Jab Jab Jab nonsense.

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What jab, jab, jab nonsence? Tyson barely ever jabed.
 

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tyson had quite a good jab when he was young, it was the big punch he started to rely on.
 

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It didn't take long for Holmes to get off his back the 3rd knock down, Cortez was on him the moment he hit the ground. Holmes is 4 inches taller than Tyson, 3.5 to be exact. And it didn't take much of his power at all. And why shouldn't Holmes have showed up? Is it his fault King made fight night earlier? No. Dropped like a rock the first knock down? Look again, Tyson gave him a little push to get him down. And the 2nd knock down, look how many bombs Holmes took before going down again. Holmes was on the canvas for less than 10 seconds during the fight. And if they gave Holmes 3 months to train, then Holmes easily would have been able to make it to the 10th. In the start of the 4th round, Holmes was a slower, rustier version of his prime self, and he was beating Tyson that round until he went flat footed.
It was 1 right hand that put Holmes down in the 1st kd. Tyson was throwing a left hook that was blocked with Holmes arm. The 2nd kd was a glancing right that barely landed. As I said before, he was hurt from the 1st kd. Cortez was on him cuz the guy was out and hurt! I know your a fan of Holmes, but come on. 1 and a half punches for 2 kds? I wont even debate this with you anymore. Its obvious that those Holmes goggles you have on are thick. He was a great fighter but could not take a Tyson punch. If he could then he would not have tko by the results.
 

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It was 1 right hand that put Holmes down in the 1st kd. Tyson was throwing a left hook that was blocked with Holmes arm. The 2nd kd was a glancing right that barely landed. As I said before, he was hurt from the 1st kd. Cortez was on him cuz the guy was out and hurt! I know your a fan of Holmes, but come on. 1 and a half punches for 2 kds? I wont even debate this with you anymore. Its obvious that those Holmes goggles you have on are thick. He was a great fighter but could not take a Tyson punch. If he could then he would not have tko by the results.
Where do you get 1 and a 1/2 punches after? There were no glancing blows. It was 4 clean punches, 1 blocked, and a clean right hand. Look at how many clean shots he took. Also look how his uppercut got screwed up by the ropes right before the 3rd knockdown. YouTube - Mike Tyson vs Larry Holmes p2 (rus)
 

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tommygunn said:
tyson had quite a good jab when he was young, it was the big punch he started to rely on.
But it was slow and not very effective compared to his right uppercut or left hook.
 

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I personaly think it is sad that the Holmes of the Tyson fight is the Holmes people remember.
 

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bill1234 said:
But it was slow and not very effective compared to his right uppercut or left hook.
he lunged in well with it, tyson was an exellant boxer in his younger days, he had great skill he wasn't just a brawler like a lot of guys think.
 

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bill1234 said:
Where do you get 1 and a 1/2 punches after? There were no glancing blows. It was 4 clean punches, 1 blocked, and a clean right hand. Look at how many clean shots he took. Also look how his uppercut got screwed up by the ropes right before the 3rd knockdown. YouTube - Mike Tyson vs Larry Holmes p2 (rus)
Already watched it a few times. the 2nd kd was a glancing blow on top of the head. No way was that a clean shot. And no way did tyson "push" him on the 1st kd. What does a uppercut that didn't land got to do with anything. It didn't land!
 

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bill1234 said:
I personaly think it is sad that the Holmes of the Tyson fight is the Holmes people remember.
i like to remember the larry that fought butterbean LOL

just kiddin bill.

holmes is an all time great he just got caught in a bad era much like marciano did, i like to remember the holmes that beat norton, cooney and shavers.
 

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KNUCKLE UP said:
Already watched it a few times. the 2nd kd was a glancing blow on top of the head. No way was that a clean shot. And no way did tyson "push" him on the 1st kd. What does a uppercut that didn't land got to do with anything. It didn't land!
Its the reason for the 3rd knock down, Holmes through the right uppercut, and it hit the ropes, and Tyson landed 2 monster right hooks on him, Holmes went down, and Cortez followed him down. Also the first knock down did have a bit of a push to it. And it is angles, if you watch it at a different angle, it landed right on Holmes's cheek clean.
 

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tommygunn said:
i like to remember the larry that fought butterbean LOL

just kiddin bill.

holmes is an all time great he just got caught in a bad era much like marciano did, i like to remember the holmes that beat norton, cooney and shavers.
I like to remember the Holmes that beat Norton, Shavers, Cooney, came back against Weaver, and the one that came back and schooled Mercer.
 

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From what I can see it does look like a glancing shot. However, the video quality isn't great and I think it was more the first KD that hurt Larry. He's one of my all time favorites, but I must admit that I don't think he would have beaten Tyson regardless.
 

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PrettyBoyFloyd said:
From what I can see it does look like a glancing shot. However, the video quality isn't great and I think it was more the first KD that hurt Larry. He's one of my all time favorites, but I must admit that I don't think he would have beaten Tyson regardless.
If Holmes had lets say 3 months to train, he could have beaten Tyson. Because his legs would have held up, and he could have survived the round. If he took Tyson to round 6 or 7, he could have won.
 

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bill1234 said:
If Holmes had lets say 3 months to train, he could have beaten Tyson. Because his legs would have held up, and he could have survived the round. If he took Tyson to round 6 or 7, he could have won.
You may be right. As of now it is all hypothetical though. I just think at some point during the fight (given Holmes trained for 3 months) Tyson would have eventually put him down.

I will not rule out that Larry COULD have definitely won.
 

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PrettyBoyFloyd said:
I wish we could go back in time and make the fight happen Prime vs. Prime :)
Then, Tyson would get a boxing lesson. If we ever can go back in time, someone please go back in time to 1974, and shoot Don King right in the head.
 

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PrettyBoyFloyd said:
You may be right. As of now it is all hypothetical though. I just think at some point during the fight (given Holmes trained for 3 months) Tyson would have eventually put him down.

I will not rule out that Larry COULD have definitely won.
Tyson might TKO Larry, but not KO Larry. Larry was almost KO proof. His 2nd fight with Shavers is proof. You couldn't land a better, more clean shot, and Larry was up on 5, yes he was basicaly a fighting dead guy after it, but he was great in survival mode, possibly the best ever.
 
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