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ok guy's this is a hot topic just now lets put it to a poll, its obvious to me ali is the greatest hw in history but thats just my opinion. :thumbsup:
 

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tommygunn said:
ok guy's this is a hot topic just now lets put it to a poll, its obvious to me ali is the greatest hw in history but thats just my opinion.
Muhummed Ali was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Jack Dempsey was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Joe Louis was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Rocky Marciano was the greatest champion of his time.

But who knows who the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time was?

That's open to opinion.

But if I had to make a pick over all.

I'd put Rocky Marciano on top.

I say Rocky was the best because he's the ONLY one who refused to lose.

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Muhummed Ali was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Jack Dempsey was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Joe Louis was the greatest heavyweight champion of his time.

Rocky Marciano was the greatest champion of his time.

But who knows who the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time was?

That's open to opinion.

But if I had to make a pick over all.

I'd put Rocky Marciano on top.

I say Rocky was the best because he's the ONLY one who refused to lose.

JC
before ali refused draft he was unbeaten. when he returned the lay off had done his reflexes no good they were maybe only 70% of what they were when he beat liston. if it wasn't for politics who knows we could have to unbeaten hw champs in history. even still ali was the best and the way things are he's a mile ahead of any or present hw's in history.
 

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Yes i agree. Muhammad Ali is without doubt the greatest hw in history. He had everything. The Movement, speed, power and everything else that makes a great champion. Many people disagree and say Rocky Marciano. I think that is totlay wrong. Marciano was a slugger and a brawler. He didnt fight no where near the competion Ali fought. A old Joe Louis and Jersey Joe walcott who was beating him before he landed a lucky punch. OK he never got beat but if he had fought a prime Ali he would have got slaughtered.

Dont get me wrong i have great respect for Rocky and would rank him in the top 3 heavyweights but theres only 1 person that deserevs number 1 and thats the greatest
 

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What do the REAL EXPERTS say?

"Well, let's face it. He never got licked, undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. I mean how much better can you do than that?"

"Marciano is the most under rated heavyweight of all-time. He had so much more than they gave him credit for. He was capable of getting the bigger, heavier guys and destroying them."

ANGELO DUNDEE (2004)


Note: Angelo Dundee was one of the most accomplished and highly recognized fight trainers of boxers in the world. Dundee, who was inaugurated into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1992, had trained and managed fighters for near seven decades and had helped shape the careers of fifteen world champions which included Muhummed Ali. Dundee was Ali's handler and trainer (1960-1980).

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before ali refused draft he was unbeaten. when he returned the lay off had done his reflexes no good they were maybe only 70% of what they were when he beat liston.
A fighter's reflexes slow with age.

As for the Ali's lay off who's fault was that?

Why do so many seen to feel the need to make excuses to justify their pick of Muhummed Ali being the greatest of all-time?

I'm seeing that in near every post on this subject here. (smiling)

I hear so many excuses made for Ali from posters who pick Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.

I'm hearing excuses made for the fights he lost too, and all kinds of stuff like that. "Well, nobody knew how sick he really was," and all kinds of stuff like that.

Marciano went into some of his fights many times with physical injuries.

In fact, I can remember one fight Rocky had in which he was suffering from a back injury, and he was in so much pain that they even had to bend the ropes for him to entered the ring because his back was so stiff and he was in so much pain, and he got out there and won the fight by knocking his opponent out.

If I felt a need to make excuses for my pick of Rocky Marciano as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time like you guys seen to feel the need to for reasons of your pick of Muhummed Ali. I would not have picked Rocky the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.

If I were to feel to make excuses for my pick of Rocky like you guys apparently feel the need to justify you pick of Muhummed Ali? It would be reasonable to think my pick of Rocky is personal and biased.

You guys will never see me make excuses for my pick of putting Rocky on top as so many of you seen to feel the need to do to in justifying your pick of Ali.

If I felt the need to make excuses for Rocky like many of your guys seem to feel the need to do to apparently justify your pick of Muhummed Ali?

If I feel the need to do that I would not have picked Rocky.

All these excuses you guys make to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali seems to be endless.


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if it wasn't for politics who knows we could have to unbeaten hw champs in history.
What politics?

If I am to take this you said in context with the over all statement you made. You seem to be making reference to Muhummed Ali's unwillinness and refusal to be inducted into the military.

It was Ali's refusal to obey the law it wasn't politics that caused his lay off.

The excuses you guys make in apparently feeling the need to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time seems to be endless. Could it be that you had heard Muhummed Ali's self-made claim of being the "greatest," so many times that you finally started to believe it. (smiling)

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even still ali was the best and the way things are he's a mile ahead of any or present hw's in history.
For me to believe that I would have to be convinced that Ali could beat Rocky Marciano in a real fight, and I don't think Ali could have beaten Rocky.

In a Marciano-Ali fight! If they both were to have fought one another in their prime and if it were to have been a 15 round fight barring stoppage (for cuts) I don't believe its likely that Muhummed could have gone the distance of 15 rounds with Rocky without getting knocked out.

By the way, at youtube.com there is a short film clip of the Ali-Cooper fight.

You ought to watch that film clip of that left hook that Henry cooper hit Ali with that dropped Ali and very near knocked Ali out.

Henry Cooper at best was a club fighter and no where near to being in the class of Rocky Marciano, and know where near as tough and as hard a puncher as Rocky was either. If that had been Marciano who had hit Ali instead of Copper, Ali would have stayed down.

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tommygunn said:
ok guy's this is a hot topic just now lets put it to a poll, its obvious to me ali is the greatest hw in history but thats just my opinion. :thumbsup:
MIke Tyson is on the poll yet Holmes is not? I am confused.
 

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No one is "the greatest" because no matter who you are you are only one punch away from victory or defeat.
 

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What do the REAL EXPERTS say?

"Naturally, the first thought that comes to mind would be Muhummed Ali. Ali was in my time. But before my time, it would have been Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano."

MARVIN HAGLER


Note: "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler is a former world champion. He was an outstanding middleweight fighter and world champion. This was the answer he gave when he was asked to name who he thought was the greatest heavyweight fighter of all-time.

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MIke Tyson is on the poll yet Holmes is not? I am confused.
once again bill brings up his hero holmes in a thread.:laugh: i did'nt put lennox lewis on either because neither lewis or holmes would get any votes. ;)
 

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JCC said:
A fighter's reflexes slow with age.

As for the Ali's lay off who's fault was that?

Why do so many seen to feel the need to make excuses to justify their pick of Muhummed Ali being the greatest of all-time?

I'm seeing that in near every post on this subject here. (smiling)

I hear so many excuses made for Ali from posters who pick Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.

I'm hearing excuses made for the fights he lost too, and all kinds of stuff like that. "Well, nobody knew how sick he really was," and all kinds of stuff like that.

Marciano went into some of his fights many times with physical injuries.

In fact, I can remember one fight Rocky had in which he was suffering from a back injury, and he was in so much pain that they even had to bend the ropes for him to entered the ring because his back was so stiff and he was in so much pain, and he got out there and won the fight by knocking his opponent out.

If I felt a need to make excuses for my pick of Rocky Marciano as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time like you guys seen to feel the need to for reasons of your pick of Muhummed Ali. I would not have picked Rocky the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.

If I were to feel to make excuses for my pick of Rocky like you guys apparently feel the need to justify you pick of Muhummed Ali? It would be reasonable to think my pick of Rocky is personal and biased.

You guys will never see me make excuses for my pick of putting Rocky on top as so many of you seen to feel the need to do to in justifying your pick of Ali.

If I felt the need to make excuses for Rocky like many of your guys seem to feel the need to do to apparently justify your pick of Muhummed Ali?

If I feel the need to do that I would not have picked Rocky.

All these excuses you guys make to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali seems to be endless.




What politics?

If I am to take this you said in context with the over all statement you made. You seem to be making reference to Muhummed Ali's unwillinness and refusal to be inducted into the military.

It was Ali's refusal to obey the law it wasn't politics that caused his lay off.

The excuses you guys make in apparently feeling the need to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time seems to be endless. Could it be that you had heard Muhummed Ali's self-made claim of being the "greatest," so many times that you finally started to believe it. (smiling)



For me to believe that I would have to be convinced that Ali could beat Rocky Marciano in a real fight, and I don't think Ali could have beaten Rocky.

In a Marciano-Ali fight! If they both were to have fought one another in their prime and if it were to have been a 15 round fight barring stoppage (for cuts) I don't believe its likely that Muhummed could have gone the distance of 15 rounds with Rocky without getting knocked out.

By the way, at youtube.com there is a short film clip of the Ali-Cooper fight.

You ought to watch that film clip of that left hook that Henry cooper hit Ali with that dropped Ali and very near knocked Ali out.

Henry Cooper at best was a club fighter and no where near to being in the class of Rocky Marciano, and know where near as tough and as hard a puncher as Rocky was either. If that had been Marciano who had hit Ali instead of Copper, Ali would have stayed down.

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you ask who's fault it is that ali wasn't drafted to vietnam, well the guy stood up for his religious beleifs and stood firm, and your correct when you say reflexes slow with age, BUT WHEN YOU HAVENT TRAINED OR FOUGHT IN 3 YEARS THEY'LL GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE. this seems to be a sore subject for you are you some relitive of rock who isn't in the top 6 hw of all time.
 

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Ali

However... the others in the list would be TOUGHER... but not better... they wouldn't beat Ali... but they would'nt give up either... Tyson with A HEART wouldn't give up... but a Tyson without heart will!
 

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tommygunn said:
once again bill brings up his hero holmes in a thread.:laugh: i did'nt put lennox lewis on either because neither lewis or holmes would get any votes. ;)
Because they are THE MOST UNDERATED HEAVYWEIGHTS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Because they are THE MOST UNDERATED HEAVYWEIGHTS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is so right i totaly agree thats why they weren't on the list because they wouldn't have got many if any votes.
 

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tommygunn said:
that is so right i totaly agree thats why they weren't on the list because they wouldn't have got many if any votes.
I would have voted for Holmes....Oh well
 
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