tommygunn said:
before ali refused draft he was unbeaten. when he returned the lay off had done his reflexes no good they were maybe only 70% of what they were when he beat liston.
A fighter's reflexes slow with age.
As for the Ali's lay off who's fault was that?
Why do so many seen to feel the need to make excuses to justify their pick of Muhummed Ali being the greatest of all-time?
I'm seeing that in near every post on this subject here. (smiling)
I hear so many excuses made for Ali from posters who pick Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.
I'm hearing excuses made for the fights he lost too, and all kinds of stuff like that. "Well, nobody knew how sick he really was," and all kinds of stuff like that.
Marciano went into some of his fights many times with physical injuries.
In fact, I can remember one fight Rocky had in which he was suffering from a back injury, and he was in so much pain that they even had to bend the ropes for him to entered the ring because his back was so stiff and he was in so much pain, and he got out there and won the fight by knocking his opponent out.
If I felt a need to make excuses for my pick of Rocky Marciano as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time like you guys seen to feel the need to for reasons of your pick of Muhummed Ali. I would not have picked Rocky the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time.
If I were to feel to make excuses for my pick of Rocky like you guys apparently feel the need to justify you pick of Muhummed Ali? It would be reasonable to think my pick of Rocky is personal and biased.
You guys will never see me make excuses for my pick of putting Rocky on top as so many of you seen to feel the need to do to in justifying your pick of Ali.
If I felt the need to make excuses for Rocky like many of your guys seem to feel the need to do to apparently justify your pick of Muhummed Ali?
If I feel the need to do that I would not have picked Rocky.
All these excuses you guys make to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali seems to be endless.
tommygunn said:
if it wasn't for politics who knows we could have to unbeaten hw champs in history.
What politics?
If I am to take this you said in context with the over all statement you made. You seem to be making reference to Muhummed Ali's unwillinness and refusal to be inducted into the military.
It was Ali's refusal to obey the law it wasn't politics that caused his lay off.
The excuses you guys make in apparently feeling the need to justify your pick of Muhummed Ali as being the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time seems to be endless. Could it be that you had heard Muhummed Ali's self-made claim of being the "greatest," so many times that you finally started to believe it. (smiling)
tommygunn said:
even still ali was the best and the way things are he's a mile ahead of any or present hw's in history.
For me to believe that I would have to be convinced that Ali could beat Rocky Marciano in a real fight, and I don't think Ali could have beaten Rocky.
In a Marciano-Ali fight! If they both were to have fought one another in their prime and if it were to have been a 15 round fight barring stoppage (for cuts) I don't believe its likely that Muhummed could have gone the distance of 15 rounds with Rocky without getting knocked out.
By the way, at youtube.com there is a short film clip of the Ali-Cooper fight.
You ought to watch that film clip of that left hook that Henry cooper hit Ali with that dropped Ali and very near knocked Ali out.
Henry Cooper at best was a club fighter and no where near to being in the class of Rocky Marciano, and know where near as tough and as hard a puncher as Rocky was either. If that had been Marciano who had hit Ali instead of Copper, Ali would have stayed down.
JC
