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Who was the best heavyweight come from behind KO guy?

  • Earnie Shavers

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  • George Foreman

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  • Rocky Marciano

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  • Joe Louis

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  • Mike Tyson

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  • Max Baer

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  • David Tua

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  • Sonny Liston

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  • Joe Frazier

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I think Shavers was. His right was a factor no matter what round it was. A big part of me voting for him was when he dropped Holmes with that geat right. Here is Shavers vs HolmesII: YouTube - Larry Holmes -vs- Earnie Shavers II 1979 Another person that diserves special mension is Marciano with that right he KO'd walcot with.
 

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bill1234 said:
I think Shavers was. His right was a factor no matter what round it was. A big part of me voting for him was when he dropped Holmes with that great right.

Here is Shavers vs HolmesII: YouTube - Larry Holmes -vs- Earnie Shavers II 1979
I watched the tape, and I remember the fight! Larry Holmes fought Earnie Shavers the right way to beat Shavers. It was his strategy, I saw that won the fight.

Shavers lacked stamina, he was toast into the eleven round.

I saw that it was Shaver's lack of stamina that cost him the fight with Holmes.

In the earlier round when Shaver's caught Holmes just right with a big punch and dropped Holmes, he would have had the knockout if he'd had enough left to get back on Holmes, but he was spent. He lacked the stamina to finish Holmes off. That's what I saw that cost Shaver's the fight.

Of course, Shaver's was a old guy (in his mid 30s), but he still had the power (the punch), but he did not have the stamina.

It was a good fight!

Holmes was a great fighter and champion, and he held the title for a long time (1978-1985), and for a longer period of time than near all others did.

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Another person that deserves special mention is Marciano with that right he KO'd walcott with.
Like Holmes, Rocky Marciano was able to come back and win after being knocked down too.

ALL GREAT FIGHTERS have that ability to come back and win after being knocked down.

Marciano had only been knocked down twice in his professional career once by Joe Walcott, and by Archie Moore.

In both cases Marciano came back from being knocked down to win the fight by knocking out Walcott and Moore.

As far as I know, I think it may have been Joe Louis who was knocked down in fights more than any other heavyweight champion, but always was able to come back to win the fight. There were only two times that he didn't come back to win after being knocked down. It had been in his fights with Max Schmeling and with Marciano.

Yet Louis didn't stay down with the first knock down in either fight!

Jack Dempsey is also great fighter and champion that could come back to win the after being knocked down.

In fact, in his fight with Luis Firpo, Dempsey, was even knocked completely out of the ring, and still had that heart and ability to come back.

ALL GREAT FIGHTERS AND CHAMPIONS ... such as Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and Larry Holmes all had the heart and ability to come back to win the fight after being knocked down.

I had voted for Marciano in this poll, but after I had given more thought to it. I changed by mind to want to get it to Joe Louis instead. Because he came back from being knocked down in fights to win I think more than any other heavyweight champion ever did.

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I watched the tape, and I remember the fight! Larry Holmes fought Earnie Shavers the right way to beat Shavers. It was his strategy, I saw that won the fight.

Shavers lacked stamina, he was toast into the eleven round.

I saw that it was Shaver's lack of stamina that cost him the fight with Holmes.

In the earlier round when Shaver's caught Holmes just right with a big punch and dropped Holmes, he would have had the knockout if he'd had enough left to get back on Holmes, but he was spent. He lacked stamina finish Holmes off. That's what I saw that cost Shaver's the fight.

Of course, Shaver's was a old guy (in his mid 30s), but he still had the power (the punch), but he did not have the stamina.

It was a good fight!

Holmes was a great fighter and champion, and he held the title for a long time (from 1978-1985), and for a longer period of time than near all others did.



Like Holmes, Rocky Marciano was able to come back and win after being knocked down too.

ALL GREAT FIGHTERS have that ability to come back and win after being knocked down.

Marciano had only been knocked down twice in his professional career once by Joe Walcott, and by Archie Moore.

In both cases Marciano came back from being knocked down to win both fights by knocking them out.

As far as I know, I think it may have been Joe Louis who was knocked down in fights more than any other heavyweight champion in his fights, but always was able to come back to win the fight. There was only two times that he didn't come back to win after being knocked down to win. It had been in his fights with Max Schmeling and with Marciano.

Yet Louis didn't stay down with the first knock down in either fight!

Jack Dempsey is also great fighter and champion that could come back to win the after being knocked down.

In fact, in his fight with Luis Firpo, Dempsey, was even knocked completely out of the ring, and still had that heart and ability to come back.

ALL GREAT FIGHTERS AND CHAMPIONS ... such as Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and Larry Holmes all had the heart and ability to come back to win the fight after being knocked down.

JJC
Yep, Louis was knocked down about 11 times in his career, either that or it wa sPatterson one or the other.:rolleyes:
 

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Yep, Louis was knocked down about 11 times in his career, either that or it wasPatterson one or the other.:rolleyes:
I'd edited my post since you posted.

I think I'd have to give it to Joe Louis.

For as far as I know he had been knocked down in fights more times than other other heavyweight champion and to still be able to come back to win the fight.

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Through out Holmes career, only 4 men have a legit knock down on Larry, in the fight with Butterbean that ref had to be drunk or got hit really hard, because that was clearly NOT a knockdown.
 

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Through out Holmes career, only 4 men have a legit knock down on Larry, in the fight with Butterbean that ref had to be drunk or got hit really hard, because that was clearly NOT a knockdown.
That fight wasn't a "shoot" (real fight), was it?

At least, I didn't think it was, any way. I thought it was just all show, just an exhibition.

I saw the tape, it wasn't a punch that knocked Holmes down, that I saw.

It was just a freak accident, in which Holmes was off balance, and tripped some how and fell backwards into the corner and went down.

At first they were treating it like was a punch that had knocked him down, but wasn't a punch.

Of course, Butterbean was no boxer, but he could box. But he was no pro ... he's one of those martial arts guys more into the free style fighting thing today, a mixture of various forms of martial arts and wrestling and all that stuff. Which is a by far different thing than boxing.

I didn't take the fight serious, my impression was that it was all show just entertianment and not a real fight.

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That fight wasn't a "shoot" (real fight), was it?

At least, I didn't think it was, any way. I thought it was just all show, just an exhibition.

I saw the tape, it wasn't a punch that knocked Holmes down, that I saw.

It was just a freak accident, in which Holmes was off balance, and tripped some how and fell backwards into the corner and went down.

At first they were treating it like was a punch that had knocked him down, but wasn't a punch.

Of course, Butterbean was no boxer, but he could box. But he was no pro ... he's one of those martial arts guys more into the free style fighting thing today, a mixture of various forms of martial arts and wrestling and all that stuff. Which is a by far different thing than boxing.

I didn't take the fight serious, my impression was that it was all show just entertianment and not a real fight.

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No, it was a real fight, I didn't take it seriously either though. I mean come on!!! Larry was fighting a guy who made a living off of guys with losing and 500 records...and still lost!!! Holmes beat the crap out of him.
 

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No, it was a real fight, I didn't take it seriously either though.
Are you sure? I didn't think it was a real fight! Next time your at the Larry Holmes gym. Why don't you ask him if it was a an exhibition or a real fight? And see what he says about it.

I could wrong, but really I don't think it was a real fight. For if it had been a real fight I don't think Butterbean would have taken the fight with Holmes if it had not only been an exhibition. He'd know he'd have no chance of winning a fight against Larry Holmes.

And as for all the free style fighting stuff, such as the MMA fights and all that. I see it as being much like professional wrestling, in being I don't think its all real either.

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Are you sure? I didn't think it was a real fight! Next time your at the Larry Holmes gym. Why don't you ask him if it was a an exhibition or a real fight? And see what he says about it.

I could wrong, but really I don't think it was a real fight. For if it had been a real fight I don't think Butterbean would have taken the fight with Holmes if it had not only been an exhibition. He'd know he'd have no chance of winning a fight against Larry Holmes.

And as for all the free style fighting stuff, such as the MMA fights and all that. I see it as being much like professional wrestling, in being I don't think its all real either.

JCC
No it was real, Larry and Butterbean both trained for it, my trainer (Larry's son-in-law) was at the way in.
 

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wow guys there can only be one guy talked about in this thread and its buster douglas when he beat tyson. ;)
 

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wow guys there can only be one guy talked about in this thread and its buster douglas when he beat tyson. ;)
I hope you were joking, if not...Then its obvious you haven't seen the fight.:laugh:
 

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I hope you were joking, if not...Then its obvious you haven't seen the fight.:laugh:
douglas came from behind to ko tyson dude.
 

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No it was real, Larry and Butterbean both trained for it, my trainer (Larry's son-in-law) was at the way in.
Well, then maybe it was real. But ask him any way the next time your at the gym, any way. And see what he says and let me knows what he says about it after you ask him about it.

Just because they trained doesn't mean if wasn't an exhibition, they train for exhibitions too.

Even when I was boxing amatuer I had some exhibitions fights sometimes too. I always trained for those too.

Not saying your wrong, you may be right. But ask him any way, and see what he says about it and let me know.

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douglas came from behind to ko tyson dude.
Douglas beat the crap out of Tyson the entire time. Even watch it tonight on ESPNClassics, that fight is on at 8:00PM eastern time.
 

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Douglas beat the crap out of Tyson the entire time. Even watch it tonight on ESPNClassics, that fight is on at 8:00PM eastern time.
no he didn't the fight was even i just checked on bexrec. what i mean is though with buster looking ko'd when the long count happened and come back to ko tyson. :rolleyes:
 

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no he didn't the fight was even i just checked on bexrec. what i mean is though with buster looking ko'd when the long count happened and come back to ko tyson. :rolleyes:
Yes he did, do I need to post the fight??? Their fight is on in 30 min on ESPNCLASSICS. Also yes it was a long count, but Douglas still controlled the entire fight.
 

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Yes he did, do I need to post the fight??? Their fight is on in 30 min on ESPNCLASSICS. Also yes it was a long count, but Douglas still controlled the entire fight.
not acording to me or the three guys at ringside.
 

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not acording to me or the three guys at ringside.
OMG!!! You are a (I have no clue what this means) Tyson "nuthugger".
 

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OMG!!! You are a (I have no clue what this means) Tyson "nuthugger".
your a holmes nuthuger so that must make us even. :laugh: , douglas didn't own tyson the fight was close when tyson got ko'd, what i mean is douglas comming back from the kd was unbelevible.
 

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your a holmes nuthuger so that must make us even. :laugh: , douglas didn't own tyson the fight was close when tyson got ko'd, what i mean is douglas comming back from the kd was unbelevible.
The fight is on right now on ESPNCLASSICS, so turn to it and watch Douglas beat the crap outta Tyson.
 
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