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I'm a songwriter, and started to write about a ficticious boxer who died in the ring and won the same fight. Is there such a fight where two knockouts occurred almost at the same time (two fighters connecting at the same time), where the fighter who went down last, never got up, but the fighter who went down first did not get up until after the bell, losing the fight?
 

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Nope. Never happened. The closest thing would be a double KO or a ring death after a fight, but never during the fight.
 

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a double ko has happened, way back in the early 1900's, there is little film of it and i have it. it was on the top 25 knockouts of all time. Burt sugars list on epsn classic. i would have to watch it again to remember the names though.
 

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tysonjones said:
a double ko has happened, way back in the early 1900's, there is little film of it and i have it. it was on the top 25 knockouts of all time. Burt sugars list on epsn classic. i would have to watch it again to remember the names though.
I know a double KO happened, it was between Wolgast and Rivers.
 

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joecarlson said:
I'm a songwriter, and started to write about a ficticious boxer who died in the ring and won the same fight. Is there such a fight where two knockouts occurred almost at the same time (two fighters connecting at the same time), where the fighter who went down last, never got up, but the fighter who went down first did not get up until after the bell, losing the fight?
the fight would be rulled a draw or no contest if this happened anyway. :p
 

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hmm mayweather / delahoya will end in a double ko. Oscar gets knocked out by floyd. Then fiddy kicks his ass hahaha, just playing.
 

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Felix Bwalya died after he beat Paul Burke:

1997-12-13 : Lusaka, Zambia : Paul Burke lost to Felix Bwalya by PTS in round 12 of 12

* According to Boxing Monthly, June 1998, p. 39, a videotape of the bout "categorically confirms" that Burke scored a knockout of Bwalya 66 seconds into the final round, and that Burke did not land the knockout blows after the final bell as local officials had ruled. The Commonwealth Council, it was further reported, decided that Burke would receive the champion's share of the purse in any future bout to fill the vacant title, but declined to overturn the decision.

* Bwalya fell into a coma and died shortly after this bout. Burke's trainer Billy Graham was quoted in the above-referenced article as saying that he and Burke had seen Bwalya at breakfast the morning after the bout and that Bwalya had appeared "fine" then, and that he and Burke did not learn of Bwalya's death until Christmas Eve, eleven days after the fight.


Also:

August 17, 1990:
Pat Stone collapsed in his corner before the winning verdict was announced in his bout with Gary Wills and died the following day in hospital.

March 19, 1955:
Yoshiharu Yokoi died after beating Akiyoshi Akanuma.


January 2, 1935:
Lett Sheppard died after beating Jimmy Richardson.
Sheppard died of injuries sustained in this fight. Despite sustaining a "bad gash over his left eye" in the third round he won "by a small margin of points in a gruelling 15 round contest. The battle was waged at close quarters through". On leaving the ring he stumbled and had to be helped down the steps and back to the dressing rooms where he lost consciousness. He died four days later. (Brisbane Courier Mail)
 

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bill1234 said:
I know a double KO happened, it was between Wolgast and Rivers.

This was not a double knockout, it was a double knockdown. Wolgast was helped up by the referee and as he counted out Rivers.

Perhaps the fight that got the double knockout in the books was the 1912 classic between Mexican Joe Rivers (or the Lethal Latin) and Hall of Famer Ad Wolgast. The title probably should've gone to Mexican Joe: He got off a powerful right-left to Wolgast's jaw, while Wolgast aimed true with a groin shot. Wolgast landed on top of him, and got dragged off by the referee to make the count.

A Cruiserweight title fight back in 1985. Lee Roy Murphy was defending against Chisanda Mutti, and both landed right crosses at the same time in the 12th round. Both went down, and the count began for both. Only Murphy got up in time, and Mutti was counted out, so Murphy won by knockout.

Ten years later in Canada, light heavyweights Merqui Sosa and Prince Charles Williams conked each other out, resulting in a draw.

Not all double knockouts land with a thud. Sechew Powell hooked a left, Cornelius Bundrage hooked a right. They went down and back up so quickly, the ref didn't call it.


In mixed martial arts, double knockdowns seem more likely, thanks to all the limbs. Fans talk about how Carlos Newton choked out Matt Hughes, but got knocked unconscious when Hughes slammed him on his head as he fell. Matt recovered first and won the bout. Now that's a sweet science.
 

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Here's some others:

Double Knockouts:

Detroit, Michigan, February 12, 1941-Sammy Secreet,
Pittsburgh, and Pat Carroll, Detroit, scored simultaneous
knockouts. Referee Rosen called it a double knockout, but
Boxing Commission called it "no-contest"-seventh round.

Kansas City, Mo.-Pat Kissinger and Al Dorlac bumped heads
and were knocked out at the same time. Referee Harry Corbett
called it a double knockout in the third.

Salt Lake City, Utah, February 14, 1939 - Pete Giacoma and
D-ick Diamond hit each other for a double knockout.

New Orleans La.- March 3, 1893-George Dawson vs. Ed Greaney,
both crossed rights to the chin in the 3rd round at Olympic
A. C.

San Francisco, Cal.-1899-Sam Fitzpatrick vs. Paddy Meehan
welterweights. At the California Athletic Club, fourth
round, referee called it no contest.

April 23, 1910-At the Brooklyn Beach A. C., Young Dutch and
Young Betts landed simultaneously on the jaw and both
dropped to the canvas. They were carried to their corners,
helpless after the referee had counted both out.

April 17 1896-At Chicago, Ed Hagne and George Skulky fought
in a private battle for a $1,500 purse. In the sixteenth
round each crashed a left to the jaw and went down. The
referee counted both out.

Sept., 1922-At Grand Junction, Colo., Jack Bowens and
Whitney Hutton connected simultaneously and went down. The
referee counted both out.

Jan. 14, 1951-At Osaka, Japan, featherweight boxers Kiyoaki
Nakanishi and Nobow Miyamoto knocked each other out in the
fourth round. They exchanged blows, fell to the canvas
and were counted out. The referee called it a draw.

Sept. 29, 1959-When both fighters were unable to continue
after the fifth round due to severe lacerations the bout
between Al Milone and Eddie Woods, at Philadelphia, was
stopped and ruled a double technical knockout.

April 1, 1909-At Fainnont A. C., New York City, Sailor Burke
dropped Willie Lewis in first round; Lewis dropped Burke in
second round and in the third, both went to the canvas on a
double knockdown but the bell sounded before Billy Joh, the
referee counted either out. Then in the sixth round, Burke
was knocked out.

Oct., 1942 - At Bridgeport, Conn. Tony Iaccavone, Stamford
light heavyweight and George Thompson landed at the same
time on each other's chin and both went down. Thompson got
to his feet while the referee was counting, but Iaccavone
was counted out.

On Sept. 21 1965-Tony Lythgoe vs. Stan Simpson, St, George
Leagues Club, Kogarah, N.S, Wales, both boxers fell out of
the ring in the second round and were counted out. Referee
Mitchell called the bout a draw.


Double Knockdowns

May 20, 1969-Sonny Floyd, Philadelphia vs. Manny Frietas,
Lowell Mass. Both connected with rights in the second round
that resulted in a double knockdown. Frietas got up at the
count of three and Floyd at the count of rune, Floyd won the
bout when the referee stopped it due to a severe cut over
the eye sustained by Frietas. The bout was held in
Hyattsville, Maryland.

In Zagreb, Yugoslavia, December 20, 1968, Yvan Prebeg,
Yugoslavia, and Blas Di Vanbode, engaged in a heavyweight
bout of 10 rounds. In the fourth they were dropped
simultaneously and the referee counted them out. Then he
ordered them to resume boxing. The bout went the full ten
and was called a draw.

June 22 1970 - Middleweights Bob Cassidy and Sonny Floyd
each dropped the other in the first round. Cassidy won by
kayo in 2:37 of round one. Bout held in Freeport, L.I.

July 15, 1970 - Amado Vasquez and Hill Chambers scored a
double knockdown in the fifth round. Vasquez won a ten round
duke. Las Vegas.

Oct. 28, 1978 - Angel Espada, Puerto Rico and Kevi Moises,
Philadelphia both banged heads and were flat on their backs.
The referee counted and Espada managed to get up and was
declared the winner via kayo. Bout took place in San Juan,
P.R.
 

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On March 18, 2006, a welterweight named Kevin Payne won an eight round split decision over Ryan Maraldo in Evansville, Indiana. Payne had to be helped from the ring and carried away on a stretcher. The next day he died in an Evansville hospital from bleeding on the brain.

Payne may have complained about headaches before the fight. The March 23, 2006 edition of the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel had an article saying he could have had a pre-existing brain injury.

To read Kevin Payne's Wikipedia biography, go www.boxrec.com and click on to "name". Click on to the Kevin Payne that says welterweight and is the second of that name from the top. Beneath his list of statistics is the Wikipedia symbol.
 

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pollux said:
On March 18, 2006, a welterweight named Kevin Payne won an eight round split decision over Ryan Maraldo in Evansville, Indiana. Payne had to be helped from the ring and carried away on a stretcher. The next day he died in an Evansville hospital from bleeding on the brain.

Payne may have complained about headaches before the fight. The March 23, 2006 edition of the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel had an article saying he could have had a pre-existing brain injury.

To read Kevin Payne's Wikipedia biography, go www.boxrec.com and click on to "name". Click on to the Kevin Payne that says welterweight and is the second of that name from the top. Beneath his list of statistics is the Wikipedia symbol.


Yes, there at least another 16 boxers that actually won a bout that they were killed in, and 1 actually scored a KO.

April 14, 2001:
Crescencio Mercado died after stopping Oscar Molina in the 1st round. (Mercado collapsed in his corner after the victory. He died a few days later from a brain injury that doctors suspected he had received previous to this fight.)
 
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