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For a time, former WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito was billed by his promoter as boxing's 'most avoided' fighter. After dethroning Margarito last July, current WBO welterweight champ Paul "The Punisher" Williams (33-0, 24 KOs) has now adopted the 'most avoided' moniker for himself. "When I hear guys don't want to fight me I feel bad," says Williams. "How can they call themselves world champions or top contenders and be afraid to fight me? I will just have to do what we did with Margarito, and not allow the other champions the ability to run from me....it can get frustrating though. Guys don't want to get in the ring with me because they know they are going to have to fight. They know that I'm not going to be showboating for the camera. I am going to fight and fight for the whole three minutes of every round. They don't want to fight someone like that."

Plans for Williams to fight IBF champion Kermit Cintron in a unificaton clash were scrapped due to a hand injury suffered by Cintron, so Williams is now set to face Carlos Quintana (24-1, 19 KOs) on February 9th at the Pechanga Resort & Casino in Temecula, California.

"Cintron agreed to fight Paul, but citing an injury, the fight was postponed in what most thought was just to be a healing period," said Williams' promoter Dan Goossen. "Now healthy, he completely ignored the agreement to fight Paul and instead announced he was looking to fight the man that Paul beat (Margarito), and for a lot less money, without as much as referencing Paul Williams. To make matters more embarrassing for Cintron, now he has called out Cotto, completely ducking Williams once again. Some things just make Paul bigger and scarier to face without having to say anything, and this is a prime example of the impact he has on other fighters.....certain fighters don't care how bad they look ducking Williams as long as they can avoid him."

Goossen named all the other welterweight champions, especially Miguel Cotto, as possible future opponents, with Shane Mosley as an interesting alternative if a bout can't be made with the other beltholders.
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I have been calling for Mosley-Williams for a while now, and that fight would make my year early! Please deliver it boxing GODS! What do you guys think about this article?
 

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i'd have to say he's close to inheriting the most avoided moniker. goosen has been pressing arum for a williams/cotto fight, and arum has been coming up with nothing but excuses. cintron wants no part of him, and i think his actions has shown as much(calling out margy and cotto, but not williams). i think clottey would've called him out, but he's cintron mandatory. he's already in line for a shot at a major title, so he doesn't have to.

and, in case someone wants to inject mayweather in regards to challenging williams, he's the one who every welter should be calling out. not the other way around;)
 

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I think Cintron is avoiding him. That's about it. Margarito fought him. And Quintana jumped at the chance to face him. He's a good fighter. But I wouldn't call him avoided.
 

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Cintron avoided him like the plague:laugh: I think Judah was offered the chance to fight PW before Quintana and refused, i think Margarito would kill for a second shot. I don't think Cotto or Mayweather will fancy getting in the ring with him yet, hes a very awkward fight for anyone. Mosley was always one for taking the high risk, low reward fights.. maybe he'll take the fight later in the year.
 

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personally, i think the reason mayweather won't fight is solely monetary reasons. i guess the same can be said about cotto reasons also. it's all about the money people. no one fights for greatness anymore.
 

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Cintron avoided him like the plague:laugh: I think Judah was offered the chance to fight PW before Quintana and refused, i think Margarito would kill for a second shot. I don't think Cotto or Mayweather will fancy getting in the ring with him yet, hes a very awkward fight for anyone. Mosley was always one for taking the high risk, low reward fights.. maybe he'll take the fight later in the year.
I think williams realises he was lucky last time he fought a flat uninspired fighter and therefore will avoid a tony margarito like the plague.
 

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I think williams realises he was lucky last time he fought a flat uninspired fighter and therefore will avoid a tony margarito like the plague.
Thats exactly what he done IMO C.J.

Margarito had around 14 rounds in 2 years and was suffering ring rust, he shipped the first 6 rounds of the fight because of this, we seen who the better fighter was in the second half of the fight though because once Margarito warmed to the fight he won 5 of the last 6 rounds.

No way would Margarito ship the first 6 rounds against williams again, its a fight he'd win by a few rounds or late stoppage.

Williams knows this and thats why he ducked the rematch with him.
 

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That is no excuse. The better man won clearly. Kostya Tszyu only had 9 rounds in 2 years and 6 months before he fought Ricky Hatton, but you never defend Tszyu with those numbers. Margarito got in there and was surprised at the amount of punches coming at him. Williams is a bad match-up for anyone, and the Margarito fight showed that.
 

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That is no excuse. The better man won clearly. Kostya Tszyu only had 9 rounds in 2 years and 6 months before he fought Ricky Hatton, but you never defend Tszyu with those numbers. Margarito got in there and was surprised at the amount of punches coming at him. Williams is a bad match-up for anyone, and the Margarito fight showed that.
What does this thread have to do with KT shane?

Kostya was a great and the #2 rated pound for pound fighter in the world as well as the #1 guy in Hattons division though, if you want to be like that.

Why hasn't pbf fought or signed to fight any the top 5 fighter in his weight class in his last two fights? now looking like its gonna be 3.......
 

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Thats exactly what he done IMO C.J.

Margarito had around 14 rounds in 2 years and was suffering ring rust, he shipped the first 6 rounds of the fight because of this, we seen who the better fighter was in the second of the fight though because once Margarito warmed to the fight he won 5 of the last 6 rounds.

No way would Margarito ship the first 6 rounds against williams again, its a fight he'd win by a few rounds or late stoppage.

Williams knows this and thats why he ducked the rematch with him.
LOL. Thats funny how now Williams is "ducking a rematch" of a guy he took the title from :laugh:
Sorry, but if they rematched it would be the same outcome. You cant blame Paul for inactivity of another fighter. If the champ didnt take it so lightly maybe he wouldn't have had an excuse for losing. Of course he still would have lost, he just wouldn't have an excuse.

I also dont think its time to start saying that Williams is most avoided yet. Lets see how it pans out this year and then we'll get a much better idea. I have a feeeling we'll see him in a big matchup before the end of the year...
 

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What does this thread have to do with KT shane?

Kostya was a great and the #2 rated pound for pound fighter in the world as well as the #1 guy in Hattons division though, if you want to be like that.

Why hasn't pbf fought or signed to fight any the top 5 fighter in his weight class in his last two fights? now looking like its gonna be 3.......
It was insight into my point about ring rust not being a valid excuse.

You know the answer to the question about Floyd like everyone else does. Oscar = tough fight. Hatton = supposed tough fight. Oscar II = another very tough fight. There hasn't been any other fights that would make the money he has been making, so they don't make sense. Nobody at 147 can beat Floyd, and most sensible boxing fans are coming around to understanding that. I know you have even mentioned that you think Margarito may be the only one who can beat Floyd. I don't really think any of them can, but I want to see him in with Cotto before he steps away. Cotto has to get by Margarito though, which I HIGHLY doubt.
 

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What does this thread have to do with KT shane?

Kostya was a great and the #2 rated pound for pound fighter in the world as well as the #1 guy in Hattons division though, if you want to be like that.

Why hasn't pbf fought or signed to fight any the top 5 fighter in his weight class in his last two fights? now looking like its gonna be 3.......
I believe he was making a reference to the fact that you down play Williams' win as a matter of "ring rust" on Tony's part, but make no mention of the "rust" that KT had when he fought your boy Hatton. The fact is Margarito was a champion and both he and KT have no excuse for losing. They lost to the better fighter.

Was DLH in a lower weight division? No, he was the bigger man. Did you guys think he was going to win? Yes.
Was Ricky in a lower weight division, yes technically. Did you think he was going to win? Yes.

Why hasnt Floyd fought a top 5 in his weight class in his last 2 fights? The simple answer is money. DLH and Hatton were obviously big money fights.
Why is it that now that Floyd won against both Hatton and DLH (both guys you thought would win) you discredit the fights and say they're out of his weight class? That doesnt make any sense...
 

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LOL. Thats funny how now Williams is "ducking a rematch" of a guy he took the title from :laugh:
Sorry, but if they rematched it would be the same outcome. You cant blame Paul for inactivity of another fighter. If the champ didnt take it so lightly maybe he wouldn't have had an excuse for losing. Of course he still would have lost, he just wouldn't have an excuse.

I also dont think its time to start saying that Williams is most avoided yet. Lets see how it pans out this year and then we'll get a much better idea. I have a feeeling we'll see him in a big matchup before the end of the year...
Point is captain, Williams is the one moaning about not having any the top guys to fight, Margarito was more than willing to fight him in a rematch though, it would have made him more money than quintana.

Plus, Margarito didn't have to give a Williams a shot at, he could very easily have let the WBO title go vacant and took the Cotto fight back then, Margarito is saying i gave you your shot so you give me mine.

He shouldn't be claiming he's being avoided when its clear a top 5 guy was willing to fight him.

IMO the whole margarito v williams rematch would like the second half of the first fight.
 

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I believe he was making a reference to the fact that you down play Williams' win as a matter of "ring rust" on Tony's part, but make no mention of the "rust" that KT had when he fought your boy Hatton. The fact is Margarito was a champion and both he and KT have no excuse for losing. They lost to the better fighter.

Was DLH in a lower weight division? No, he was the bigger man. Did you guys think he was going to win? Yes.
Was Ricky in a lower weight division, yes technically. Did you think he was going to win? Yes.

Why hasnt Floyd fought a top 5 in his weight class in his last 2 fights? The simple answer is money. DLH and Hatton were obviously big money fights.
Why is it that now that Floyd won against both Hatton and DLH (both guys you thought would win) you discredit the fights and say they're out of his weight class? That doesnt make any sense...
There is no money in the WW division no?

There was plenty money when he was feasting on zab and Baldomir wasn't there?
 

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There is no money in the WW division no?

There was plenty money when he was feasting on zab and Baldomir wasn't there?
That was good money then. Floyd wasn't half as big in the eye of the public as he is now, so back then he wasn't making as much. The Oscar type fights were not available back then. The fight with Hatton wouldn't have done half as much as it did in December back then, because Floyd wasn't known on nearly a first name basis to any sports fan you speak to. Things are different now. Floyd holds all the stones.
 

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That was good money then. Floyd wasn't half as big in the eye of the public as he is now, so back then he wasn't making as much. The Oscar type fights were not available back then. The fight with Hatton wouldn't have done half as much as it did in December back then, because Floyd wasn't known on nearly a first name basis to any sports fan you speak to. Things are different now. Floyd holds all the stones.

He holds the WW title and considers himself a WW, its time he started acting like one and fight the guys in his own weight class!

Dont you agree?
 

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LOL. Thats funny how now Williams is "ducking a rematch" of a guy he took the title from :laugh:
Sorry, but if they rematched it would be the same outcome. You cant blame Paul for inactivity of another fighter. If the champ didnt take it so lightly maybe he wouldn't have had an excuse for losing. Of course he still would have lost, he just wouldn't have an excuse.

I also dont think its time to start saying that Williams is most avoided yet. Lets see how it pans out this year and then we'll get a much better idea. I have a feeeling we'll see him in a big matchup before the end of the year...
Excellent post. It's idiotic for anybody to say Williams is ducking the Margarito rematch. Especially since Margarito has set his sights on a fight with Cotto and never publicly called for a rematch with Williams. And for anybody to say Margarito losing the first 6 rounds against Williams is a sign of ring rust is foolish. They must not follow boxing. Cuz Margarito has always been a slow starter. And has admitted it himself.
 
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