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#1 ·
Hey guys, I'm thinking of practicing Krav Maga next to boxing. I think this will be an ideal combination.
What do you guys think?

And are there any people who (have) train(ed) Krav Maga? I mean, I've heard it's very effective - but can anyone tell me their personal experience?

Peace!
 
#2 ·
I think there are better to combinations of your look to fill up your wholes as an all round fighter , a ground work or heavy grappling style would be good : Brazilian or Japanese Ju-jitsu , or Judo , are good combos :thumbsup: .

Krav Maga isn't bad just in terms of a skill set except the locking and knife defenses, your stand striking and movement, is already quite good. Are you looking to fill in what skills you don't have or just an art that are quite linked?
 
#3 ·
I'd love to do Ju-jitsu, but my boxing coach is also a Krav Maga teacher - which is convenient.

Though boxing itself is - like you mention - already good for e.g. a bar brawl, I would like to improve my street skills in terms of someone pulling a knife, or someone taking me by the troath in close distance.

Of course some grappling or ground work would not hurt..(me atleast).
 
#5 ·
Unless you wanna dirty grind the other dudes arm, stay away from grappling.

Krava Maga was made by us Jews, so you know it has to be good. Hollywood good baby.
 
#7 ·
I don't know how this forum really works, but if I could
donate my kidney to you for that reply - I certainly would :').

@ Steven1994,
Well, actually - I would prefer a Jiu-Jitsu combi. Maybe it's just a presumption, but I find Judo a bit too ... competitive? But the same goes for boxing nowadays I guess.

And about those fiber things - Im sorry dude, no disrespect, but that's just a myth. The percentage of class Ia Ib, and class II muscle fibers are actually genetic ( :( ), with a variable percentage up to 10%.

My god, who thought those Biology lessons actually worked?
 
#6 ·
i do judo and boxing.
If you dont do boxing competitve i would recomend for your street skills learning judo and krav maga.
Example: guy on street has knife. Do your krav maga stuff, then go in with a big hip or shoulder throw (judo).

Judo has been the best sport for me as a person. Its enjoyable and builds up your fast twitch fibres. This is for more explosive power and i can already see gains in plyometric workouts from doing judo.

Judo originated from Ju-Jitsu and there are vary similar moves, but in Judo the moves are designed for more slamming someone. So if your going to do ju-jitsu i wouldnt waste my time on it and id just do judo.

Il show you a link to my favourite judo guy :p. The move he is mainly doing is Ippon-Seonage and its variation Morote-Seonage. Check it out. Imagine doing that to someone in a street fight. YouTube - Toshihiko Koga - Judo 古賀稔彦
Also there just two throws there. There are plenty more :p

So if you want to be safer on streets judo and krav maga mixed together would be best combination.
Do your research about judo. Its not bullshit crap like karate either.
 
#9 ·
i know its genetic :S its 50-50 average from slow twitch to fast twitch. but if you build your explosive power up and not your slow twitch wats going to be more dominant? lets say i had 60% slow twitch and 40% fast twitch. i could still make my fast twitch be more dominant from workouts...
 
#12 ·
Weights, Boxing, Judo. Are you still busting ass for that scholarship thing?

How much time are you devoting to rest bud?
 
#13 ·
did that scholarship thing yesterday actually. i did good in all testing except for 20 metre shuttle run as i have a chest infection and couldnt last for long after coughin up too much. Well i didnt exactly do bad, i got better than average but i think they wer looking for more elite long distance people. i aced the sprints and vertical jump though. time will tell how i went.

And this is my routine
Monday: weights: pecs, triceps, abbs. boxing: heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope. cardio: 30 min exercise bike

Tuesday: Judo @ club. (we do not do any weight exercises, just techniques. But alot of sparring)

Wednesday: weights: traps, lats(back), bicep. cardio: 20 min jump rope

Thursday: Judo

Friday: weights: Deltoids, Legs, abbs. boxing: h.bag, speed bag, jump rope. cardio: 30 min exercise bike

Saturday: rest
Sunday: rest

**with weights for muscles i use 8-12 reps. 3 sets. by 3rd set about just making 8.

I know its pretty full on but yea.

I get about 9 - 10 hours sleep each night though. i eat good aswel.

I am considering about doing 1 week weights, then for 2 week switch to body weight exercises/plyometrics. During those 2 weeks aswel, maybe i wont hurt for aslong due to not pumping iron.

Goin to give it a try. But as you can see i am hurting everday till about Sunday nightish lol and then MONDAY is next day and it all starts again.

Any suggestions on how i can do weights and my combat sports :(
 
#14 ·
Any suggestions on how i can do weights and my combat sports :(
Honestly, you're doing too much. While Boxing and Judo aren't the same as lifting weights, it IS some killer resistance on your muscles. If it was me, I'd cut out my Judo on Friday, simply because for me, Judo isn't really making my heart beat :p

You're going to have to decide what you want to cut back on and do so.

Make sure you stretch out after your workouts too eh bro? That could go a long way if you're not doing that already. Might make it so you don't gotta do a thing to your schedule.
 
#15 ·
stretching after workouts and sports? am i that stupid lol. i am going to try that. i thought cool down just meant having a drink and sitting down. This i shall try.

I am also going to do strictly plyometric workouts for 2 weeks and stretching afterwards etc and do boxing and judo also. See if anything happens. If not im going to have cut down then. not sure on what yet but i'l think about it :(

ur de best tes ;)
 
#16 ·
LOL! No worries man. Lots, and I mean the majority of people, do not stretch after a workout. A bunch of reasons for that, they don't know how or why they should, when they're done the workout they just want to gtfo of the gym.

The only reason I sort of don't like doing it is because I think it ruins your after workout physique. After you look all pumped and better defined, I find once I stretch my body goes back to normal :/

But in the end it actually allows for greater muscle growth. Not to mention better flexibility.
 
#17 ·
Why you 4rses! You hijacked my topic! Lol.

Oh btw, you guys read in between the lines, I said that there can be a 10% debriviation :). So your 60% 40% would be able;). We kin'a repeated the same points.

If I were you, I'd just take a rest. Eat well. And sleep well. Food 'n sleep, that's all it's about hehe.


I went to 2 Krav Maga lessons, and my god.. Those guys are nasty:p. I never had to train groin kicks before lol!



Btw, just wondering from watching youtube vids: is there any combat discipline that can beat BJJ?? Cause these guys make themselfs look invinsible:S. Or maybe it's just their youtube propoganda - I kinda think MMA is getting corrupt and fake like WWF.
 
#18 ·
Btw, just wondering from watching youtube vids: is there any combat discipline that can beat BJJ?? Cause these guys make themselfs look invinsible:S. Or maybe it's just their youtube propoganda - I kinda think MMA is getting corrupt and fake like WWF.
Yeah, every single one. Just don't dance dirty with the BJJ guy and you're fine.
 
#23 ·
For Krav Maga, it depends on what you're gonna use it for I guess. If you're taking it for self defense it's probably great, lots of groin strikes and things that will neutralize an attacker. However if you're looking to learn it to compete in MMA or something, it's pretty useless. I fight MMA and in my third bout I came up against a guy who practiced Krav Maga and I beat him in the first round (using Jiu Jitsu I might add!) He had some strange stance and kicks and without the dirty attacks, it wasn't practical for that. But like I said, for self defense or something I'm sure it's good.

And although I'm sure this will go in one ear and out the other, this quote is absolute BS:

"Honestly, if you're bigger than the guy he is going to be hard pressed (unless he is real strong) to get you down. No amount of technique will help him if he isn't strong enough to bring you down."

I've seen much smaller guys bring a much bigger guy down to the ground and submit him. That's a completely ignorant statement, based on nothing but what you believe without ANY research. I realize you probably don't understand the ground game and also can see why you'd find it boring. That's your opinion, and that's fine. But to spout off a ridiculous comment like that without any facts, well it's just ignorance. You probably won't watch this, but Royce Gracie (170 lbs.) submits Ken Shamrock (roughly 230 lbs) in approximately a minute. That's UFC 1, and there have been 100 since then with smaller men beating bigger men using technique over strength.

YouTube - Royce Gracie VS Ken Shamrock
 
#24 ·
Did you really just quote me a Ken Shamrock video? The man who never wins?

Plus, you're too stupid to fukkin understand all of what I said. Just because I put it in brackets doesn't mean I've fukkin omitted it from the entire post dumbass.

(UNLESS HE IS REAL STRONG!)

Royce is obviously stronger than Ken. But I'm sure you think hypertrophy=strength or some stupid shiit like that.
Bah. I'm just blasting because that's the way this forum rollz now.
But for real, read the fukking thing and understand. The stronger (or fatter) guy always wins. Always.
 
#25 ·
You really think a guy 60 pounds lighter with like 0 muscle is stronger? I figured you'd be smarter than that but I see I've given you too much credit. How about Mark Hunt vs. Fedor? Hunt has so much power and strength it's ridiculous, but Fedor's superior skill and technique got him the win. You should probably save face, and stfu when it comes to talking about things you don't understand :)
 
#26 ·
You really think a guy 60 pounds lighter with like 0 muscle is stronger? I figured you'd be smarter than that but I see I've given you too much credit. How about Mark Hunt vs. Fedor? Hunt has so much power and strength it's ridiculous, but Fedor's superior skill and technique got him the win. You should probably save face, and stfu when it comes to talking about things you don't understand :)
No, you probably should.

You made my point, you don't understand the difference between Hypertrophy, Strength, and Power.

Fukking moron that you are. What a surprise.

Edit- On second thought, you're a Gigantic fukking moron.
 
#27 ·
Intelligent rebuttal friend! Swearing like that, you gotta be at least what? 14? Nice.

All I know is go wrestle a guy half your size, half your strength who trains jiu jitsu and beat the **** out of him by using pure strength. It'll be tough though, when he's walking away with your arm. :cheeky4:
 
#29 ·
With those fights, how do you know that they weren't thrown ? thats always a possibility.

What tes is trying to say is get two people. 1 a lot heavier than the other. Both have no fighting background, seen no fighting videos, have no clue on what there doing. Who would win, the taller heavier guy or the smaller skinny guy ?

If it doesnt matter like you guys are saying about weight etc and amount of skill, get a 50kg boxer vs a 100kg. who is more likely to win?
Why are there weight classes in boxing? i believe they have them so the same weight fighters fight, because its unfair to fight against heavier and stronger opponents.

And for you OKMike, i have had experience in grappling sport(judo) and boxing. i can beat people around my weight and lighter, when i go up to someone about 20kg more, why cant i beat them, even though ive been at the club for much longer, and have way better technique?
i think the answer is, they are more stronger and heavier and technique can only go so far in helping that all the rest is brute strength to win.

I think you guys should stop insulting tes and just leave it at that. we all have opinions and we should all respect what everyone has to say. Im christian and tes is Jew. I respect that hes a jew, i dont go around calling him a ****** and **** because of it. Because its what he believes in. He doesn't gotta listen to what any of you guys got to say.
 
#30 ·
With those fights, how do you know that they weren't thrown ? thats always a possibility.

What tes is trying to say is get two people. 1 a lot heavier than the other. Both have no fighting background, seen no fighting videos, have no clue on what there doing. Who would win, the taller heavier guy or the smaller skinny guy ?

If it doesnt matter like you guys are saying about weight etc and amount of skill, get a 50kg boxer vs a 100kg. who is more likely to win?
Why are there weight classes in boxing? i believe they have them so the same weight fighters fight, because its unfair to fight against heavier and stronger opponents.

And for you OKMike, i have had experience in grappling sport(judo) and boxing. i can beat people around my weight and lighter, when i go up to someone about 20kg more, why cant i beat them, even though ive been at the club for much longer, and have way better technique?
i think the answer is, they are more stronger and heavier and technique can only go so far in helping that all the rest is brute strength to win.

I think you guys should stop insulting tes and just leave it at that. we all have opinions and we should all respect what everyone has to say. Im christian and tes is Jew. I respect that hes a jew, i dont go around calling him a ****** and **** because of it. Because its what he believes in. He doesn't gotta listen to what any of you guys got to say.
I didn't even think too bring up weight classes but truth. There's a reason a weight class exists. So you guys go ahead, keep talking out your ass just for the sake of defending something you like,even though your defenses are weak as shiit. These guys have to learn about physiology before they speak again :p

Good call Steve, good call.:thumbsup:

If size (height/weight) didn't matter Valuev would never have been a boxer.
 
#31 ·
I was commenting on the idea that no amount of technique could topple a bigger fighter, like tsen said. I just said, with examples that yes it can. Ok sure, if you have the exact same technique and skill level, the bigger guy should mostly win. But you're trying to say no level of technique would ever trump strength and that just isn't true, as provided by my examples. I routinely submit a guy I train with who is way stronger than me, like I'm not even close. But with sound technique I manage to submit him every time we grapple.
 
#32 ·
:facepalm: Dude stfu, the embarrassment is so painful.

No you DO NOT submit a guy who is STRONGER than you every time. He is NOT STRONGER than you if you can submit him. Unless of course he is just laying back and letting you do it like a rapist on a weak victim.

You didn't give me ANY EXAMPLES of a WEAKER guy taking on a STRONGER guy. You showed me ONE Royce Gracie (who has great strength) against a Ken Shamrock who has more hypertrophy.

You haven't proven shiit other than how ignorant you are to human physiology.

NO LEVEL OF TECHNIQUE WILL HELP YOU SUBMIT A MAN WHO IS BIGGER THAN YOU ARE STRONG, OR SIMPLY STRONGER THAN YOU.

End of discussion.
 
#33 ·
First off, let's lose the tough guy over the internet attitude and try and have a conversation like adults. That may be difficult for you, but give it a try.

Okay, I'll admit I'm a relative noob when it comes to human physiology. I did some research on all this hypertrophy vs strength stuff you keep talking about. What I came up with, in a nutshell is that hypertrophy is building muscle and gaining size but not necessarily strength. Strength is the ability to generate force using your muscles. So it is possible for a person who is smaller and less defined to be stronger? Before I continue on, let's make sure this is the truth and see if we're on the same page here? Otherwise, I'm sure you'd love to enlighten me!
 
#34 ·
Don't take shiit personally man. I'm just blasting because that's how this forum is working lately. These other guys know I can rock the calm.

You researched the correct thing. Hypertrophy is the size of the muscle. Just because you're huge doesn't mean you can lift huge.

Go on.
 
#35 ·
Cool, well I'd prefer the calm discussion over the bashing each other. :thumbsup:

So now that I have an understanding at what you're getting at, should the person who can push the most weight (regardless of physique) win every single grappling match? This is the part I'm having a hard time understanding. Maybe this isn't even what you're getting at but that's how I'm interpreting it. I agree that two guys of equal skill in Jiu Jitsu, the stronger guy will most likely be able to apply the holds easier. But when you have a big powerful weight lifter vs. a weaker opponent who is much more proficient with his grappling, I still believe the weight lifter would be submitted.

Now again, I may have misinterpreted what you were saying, but I hope this clarifies my point of view :thumbsup:
 
#36 ·
No you got it, and that's exactly how it is. No matter how much technique you have, if the guy is bigger than you are strong, you can't do anything to him. It's evidenced in any fight in MMA where there is a fatty. I have never seen a fat man loose in a grappling match.

You can't move the boulder if you're not strong enough to do so.
 
#37 ·
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here then. I believe it's technique being used that beats to bigger man, you believe it's strength. We're kind of at a stalemate here I believe. It's possible Royce and Nog are stronger than their opposition here, I don't know. But I thought maybe you'd like to see a fat guy lose by submission. :thumbsup:

YouTube - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs Zuluzinho
YouTube - Royce Gracie vs Akebono

Also I dunno how relevant this is, but an interesting read:

White House, Feb. 24, 1905.

Darling Kermit:
"... I still box with Grant, who has now become the champion middleweight wrestler of the United States. Yesterday afternoon we had Professor Yamashita (Yamashita was Roosevelt's Jiu-jitsu instructor before Meada and Tomita had arrived there in the U.S.) up here to wrestle with Grant. It was very interesting, but of course jiu jitsu and our wrestling are so far apart that it is difficult to make any comparison between them. Wrestling is simply a sport with rules almost as conventional as those of tennis, while jiu jitsu is really meant for practice in killing or disabling our adversary. In consequence, Grant did not know what to do except to put Yamashita on his back, and Yamashita was perfectly content to be on his back. Inside of a minute Yamashita had choked Grant, and inside of two minutes more he got an elbow hold on him that would have enabled him to break his arm; so that there is no question but that he could have put Grant out. So far this made it evident that the jiu jitsu man could handle the ordinary wrestler. But Grant, in the actual wrestling and throwing was about as good as the Japanese, and he was so much stronger that he evidently hurt and wore out the Japanese. With a little practice in the art I am sure that one of our big wrestlers or boxers, simply because of his greatly superior strength, would be able to kill any of those Japanese, who though very good men for their inches and pounds are altogether too small to hold their own against big, powerful, quick men who are as well trained."

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
(Theodore Roosevelt's Letters to His Children. 1919. NEW YORK: CHARLES SCRIBNER'S SONS, 1919 NEW YORK: BARTLEBY.COM, 1999)
 
#39 ·
Thought I'd chime in here, give I've done martial art and weight lifting for over 15 years... and currently 7 years of Krav and now mostly Boxing and BJJ.

BJJ is a VERY effective 1-on-1 (not on a bar floor or concrete) art... it is great to know, but boxing and Krav will always mean more in the real world... personally, BJJ gets much better when mixed with MMA, because know you learn ground and pound, which is were many fights go... what Krav teaches that the other do not: is aggression in the face of be scared on the street... meaning if someone jumps out at you (with a weapon or not) Krav will help you keep your cool faster... Krav is a military combat system, so the first seconds of any fight or combat are the most important, because with weapons you may only a a sec or two to react before it is too late...

Also - a little BJJ can go a long way, meaning if you know some and your attacker does not, you will centrally have the upper hand on the ground...

The NET that I've found is that you can not have two masters... you must choose one to really focus on, get really good at that and then start adding... I've even taken four months off from combat sports to lift and gain more strength and that is my focus.... I brake down the year, maybe 3-4 of strength training, the 4-6 mons of boxing focus and then 3-6 mons of BJJ... always doing all three, but only forcing hard on one of them at a time...

Good luck!
 
#42 ·
"I have a good knowledge of human physiology as I have taken many courses on it and have a degree in biology"

Primary school doesn't count..

I've had a few lessons Krav now, and I must say: I like it. When I'm fighting on street, I don't want to make it a floor fight - because what if some of his buddies show up? I want to eliminate the treat as fast as possible, and move on.

Man, I'm so happy I started Krav lol.

Rule #1 of any real fight: stay of the floor - so that made BJJ useless in my case. And to be honest, I think Krav beats BJJ. Why? Because we learn to escape from grapplings and locks - or atleast to intercept them.

I love it how people stopped making bs comments after "weightclass" was mentioned.

And I love the way you f4gg0ts hijacked my topic :cop:
 
#43 ·
I didn't see anyone change their opinion after weight classes were mentioned. I sure didn't anyway. And like I said, it depends what you're using the martial art for. Krav is probably practical in a street fight, no arguments there. But in MMA, like I said I beat a Krav guy using JJ easily in the first round. I didn't know what you were using the martial art for, that's why I offered both ideas. Sorry to hijack your ridiculously entertaining thread.
 
#44 ·
Liar liar;)

QUOTE:
And although I'm sure this will go in one ear and out the other, this quote is absolute BS:

"Honestly, if you're bigger than the guy he is going to be hard pressed (unless he is real strong) to get you down. No amount of technique will help him if he isn't strong enough to bring you down."

AND AFTER THE WEIGHCLASS COMMENT:

I was commenting on the idea that no amount of technique could topple a bigger fighter, like tsen said. I just said, with examples that yes it can. Ok sure, if you have the exact same technique and skill level, the bigger guy should mostly win. But you're trying to say no level of technique would ever trump strength and that just isn't true, as provided by my examples. I routinely submit a guy I train with who is way stronger than me, like I'm not even close. But with sound technique I manage to submit him every time we grapple.
:deadhorse:

You seem to have spent most of your posts in my "ridiculously entertaining thread".
 
#45 ·
What changed? He said no level of skill can beat a bigger fighter. I clarified my opinion when the weight classes among other things were brought up. I'm still confident a 155 lb blackbelt in JJ would sub a 225 lb weight lifter, weight class or not. But if we have 2 blackbelts at these weights, the bigger guy would most likely win. I just never mentioned it before it got brought up.
 
#46 ·
I'm still confident a 155 lb blackbelt in JJ would sub a 225 lb weight lifter, weight class or not.
This is the problem. You still believe this shiit when the statement itself makes it so g-d damn obvious how wrong it is.
 
#48 ·
Then go and check it out! Thus far, Im simply loving it. It might get boring because you keep repeating the same skills at first - however this is just to integrate it to your basic mammal instinct. The moves aren't too fancy, theyre practical and direct. The slogan Krav uses is (just like the IDF does) "give the most aggresive and damaging strike, in the shortest amount of time".

Oh, and get a jock, lol.
 
#51 ·
Getting someone to the ground doesn't always necessarily mean ending up on top of them. If someones strength is too much to handle, there are tecniques such as pulling guard that can drag your opponent to the ground. There are also techniques in the clinch that can use the opponents strength and weight against them. There are also submissions that can be done from a standing position so you don't always need to get your opponent to the ground. ;)

YouTube - Minotauro Guard Pull
YouTube - Rumina's Flying Armbar
 
#52 ·
Stop quoting me fights that don't do shiit to dispute fukk all. You cannot tell who the stronger man is in any of these videos. For all YOU know you could just be PROVING my point.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I can link you just as many videos of the FAT GUY winning just because he's fat.
 
#54 ·
I was just showing alternate techniques to the standard wrestling takedown and ending up on top. I can also refer you back to my post about fat guys losing, weight classes aside. Here, how about this one? I bet Minowa is way stronger than a 320 lb former NFL player right?

YouTube - Dream 9: SuperHulk R1: Bob Sapp vs. Ikuhisa Minowa HD
The highlighted statement is fukking hilarious. Especially after you state how you know shiit about human physiology.

Yes, that is abso-fukkin-lutely possible. It is ENTIRELY possible that the smaller man is stronger, and OFTEN times will be the case.

But I said that already. You just insist on defending your idiotic logic for the sake of the 'sport' you're a fan of. So all you're spewing is the same shiit OKMike and all your types spew, fanboi BS.
 
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